Are humans equal to angels?

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发表于 2021-3-31 09:29:21 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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JosephFulton

发表于 2021-3-31 18:28:19 | 显示全部楼层

There is nothing greater or lesser in the universe or God's world. All things are equal. It's man's mind that give things meaning and calls one greater or better than another. Is one flower greater than another. It's just a flower. Things are what they are.
To one person Angels may be lesser to another lower.
Maybe the word function is more appropriate.
In our 3-D world and with our limited ego views Angels may seem superior. From this vantage point it would seem so as Angels are divine love.
If one wishes to become love they call on beings that have obtained that goal.
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RemmertBorst

发表于 2021-4-1 00:06:29 | 显示全部楼层

Original question:  Are angels stronger than humans?
I hope you realize that angels are  mythological  creatures? And that any questions about them are purely hypothetical, having no actual bearing on reality?
Good. We can still try to find an answer by looking at it ‘in universe’, using the major literary source that is associated with these creatures.
According to this mythology, angels are creatures from the Divine realm, and you might expect to find that angels are always stronger than humans. THen your answer would be
“Yes, angels are always stronger than humans!”
But wait! There is, in fact, one tiny place in the Bible that indicates that a better answer is:
“No. Angels are not always stronger than humans.”
Of course, because we are talking mythology, it is rather complicated. We have somehow lost the knack of thinking in terms of myth. Let me explain:
The relevant story is first told in Genesis 32:22-32, and there is used as an ‘explanation’ of how and why Jacob’s name was changed to Israel. At one point, this Jacob wrestles all night with another man, who is unable to overcome Jacob. The man than dislocates Jacob’s hip, and
then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”  (Gen 32:26)
Since Jacob - despite the dislocated hip - refuses to let the man go, the latter ‘blesses’ Jacob. But first he changes Jacob’s name to Israel (“contends-with-God”)!
We know that, in mythology, a hero gains a new name as the result of some sort of struggle with a parent (usually the mother), who initially refused to acknowledge him. The child however, manages to trick them into naming them against their will - and often, without the parent knowing that it is their own child.
Significantly, the man refuses to give his own name, although he immediately seems to give his name away by renaming Jacob to Israel, and this interpretation is reinforced by the fact that Jacob/Israel afterwards names the location where this happened Penuel (or Peniel), which means “Face of God” or “Facing God”.
While at first sight this seems to have no bearing to our quest, there is a later reference to this incident, found in the first part of Hosea 12:4
He struggled with the angel and overcame him; …
Woah! Hosea explicitly identifies Jacob’s wrestling partner as an angel!

"Image: Gustave Doré, Jacob Wrestles with the AngelAnd apparently, seeing an angel (literally: messenger) can be paraphrased as “Seeing the face of God”.
So, based on this retelling by Hosea, can we conclude that at least on one occasion there was an angel who was NOT stronger than a man?
Alas, this too might be invalid as a conclusion, for, although Jacob in this story is described as if he is a historical being (and therefore human), the whole Jacob story is also part of the same mythology, and therefore, so is Jacob.
It seems to me that this Jacob character was  not  a normal human being, but rather a semi-divine hero of such stature that his strength was equal to that of the angel. So an angel might still be stronger than every  regular  human being, and we can’t use the Penuel story to answer our question.
And it is also not clear that Hosea is correct in his identification, because the angel shows himself to be a kind of Sun-God: his sudden need to go at daybreak, which forces him to give in to Jacob’s demand for a blessing, so that he can go about his regular business, implies that his regular business happens to be going on his daily journey across the sky. Alternatively, the man may be the moon, who will lose his power once the sun rises, and so is in danger of really losing the wrestling-match with Jacob, an outcome to be avoided at all costs.
All of this makes perfect mythological sense.
And there are plenty of other stories in the Bible where the distinction between true humans and more exalted beings (such as semi-divine heroes) is not clear-cut. I can think of several, but most telling is the inconsistent concept of ‘son(s) of God’, which appears both very early in the book and near the end. This concept thus becomes an “Alpha and Omega”, where the Alpha is actually plural, but it is told only once. This of course, by the rules of myth, requires the Omega to match this using inverted symmetry, and thus we find the Omega is singular, but told in multiple versions.
The Alpha are found in Genesis 6:4  The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.The ‘Omega’-version is found multiple times throughout the New Testament, where God in one early version adopts a man as his son, in a later version is the man’s actual father (although not biologically, of course), and later still the son is called the only begotten one (contradicting the earlier ‘Alpha’ mention). Later still the son is said be pre-existent (created before anything else, including is mother), and ultimately becomes the means of the initial creation of the universe. So this Omega becomes another kind of Alpha. To drive it home, the son even refers to himself as the Alpha and Omega. Neat.
Another inverted symmetry is that while the original sons of God had many children by going in to the daughters of men, thereby defiling creation, the Son of God has no children of his own, but strives to adopt them all, and makes creation whole again.
(TLDR)
As to the original question. I would say that the question is interesting from a mythological and literary perspective, and the belief in angels can of course serve as a subject of various historical, sociological, and psychological studies. But apart from that, the whole concept of angels seems to be completely useless for dealing with reality, and is not related to anything we can confidently defend as being true.
So you can believe what you want. Just don’t expect anyone to care.
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